Comments on: The Mbox 2 and Pro Tools LE Tale http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/ is taking pictures and making tunes Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:13:40 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Steve A http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2907 Steve A Sat, 01 Aug 2009 07:18:18 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2907 I've got both an Mbox 2 Pro and a Firebox strangely enough, so I'm glad you wrote about this... The Mbox 2 is a dirty piece of shit! I'm always running into errors (especially when returning to Logic from Pro Tools) and have had massive daisy-chaining screw ups with it... I was using the Firebox before I started going to school, and now I'm tempted to go back and just write off Pro Tools completely. Digidesign (oh sorry, AVID) really needs to get their act together and stop cheating people as bad as they do. Unless you have the money for an HD (TDM) system plus thousands of dollars for decent plug-ins/hardware, it's just not worth the headache. I’ve got both an Mbox 2 Pro and a Firebox strangely enough, so I’m glad you wrote about this… The Mbox 2 is a dirty piece of shit! I’m always running into errors (especially when returning to Logic from Pro Tools) and have had massive daisy-chaining screw ups with it… I was using the Firebox before I started going to school, and now I’m tempted to go back and just write off Pro Tools completely. Digidesign (oh sorry, AVID) really needs to get their act together and stop cheating people as bad as they do. Unless you have the money for an HD (TDM) system plus thousands of dollars for decent plug-ins/hardware, it’s just not worth the headache.

]]> By: Mateo Bigg http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2890 Mateo Bigg Sat, 24 Jan 2009 00:01:42 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2890 Pro Tools is not a 'standard' because there are studios that don't use Pro Tools. For example, there are studios that do video and post (in the bay area where I am from) that use Logic. A true standard is agreed upon by a standards organization within an industry and, as an audio professional, I can tell you that no one DAW has been designated a standard. We would really be in trouble if that were the case. Digi is just using the word 'standard' to market Pro Tool. -Matt Pro Tools is not a ’standard’ because there are studios that don’t use Pro Tools. For example, there are studios that do video and post (in the bay area where I am from) that use Logic. A true standard is agreed upon by a standards organization within an industry and, as an audio professional, I can tell you that no one DAW has been designated a standard. We would really be in trouble if that were the case. Digi is just using the word ’standard’ to market Pro Tool.

-Matt

]]> By: earpick http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2882 earpick Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:04:29 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2882 Hi there. Nah, since then I have switched to Logic and couldn't be happier. Doubt I would ever give PT another try. The article is over here btw: http://earpick.cubicfruit.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/ Hi there.

Nah, since then I have switched to Logic and couldn’t be happier. Doubt I would ever give PT another try. The article is over here btw:

http://earpick.cubicfruit.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/

]]> By: Johnny http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2881 Johnny Thu, 20 Nov 2008 03:01:29 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2881 Sorry you had a rough time with the Mbox. I enjoyed reading your writing though, nice pictures on the new blog too. I just couldn't find this on the new blog. Don't give up on Pro Tools. I love using it and believe they are leading in every aspect of CPU recording. Sorry you had a rough time with the Mbox. I enjoyed reading your writing though, nice pictures on the new blog too. I just couldn’t find this on the new blog.

Don’t give up on Pro Tools. I love using it and believe they are leading in every aspect of CPU recording.

]]> By: Gavin http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2852 Gavin Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:19:50 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2852 I brought the Mbox 2 mini with the intention of recording some basic demos. I didnt want to do any fancy editing or mixing or expect professional results. I just wanted to fool around in my bedroom with this thing as I assume most other people who purchase a setup in this price range would. Firstly, I wouldnt even consider using Pro Tools unless I owned a Mac (or you a perpared to make the insane 'enhancements' to your system which NO consumer software should be asking you to make). The fact is that you can not even perform the simple task of recording a track without one error or another occuring literally every 30 seconds. Although my system does meet the recommended requirements, I admit that I didnt perform all of the suggested enhancements that could of possible solved my problem. But why should I, when there is other FREE software out there that does the exact same job, works straight out of the box and is much more user friendly? Oh, I forgot, its the 'industry standard'. How Digidesign can even attach such claims as this to a $300 product I will never understand. You know how all the cool kids wore Nike or whatever in primary school? Well Pro Tools is the musicians equivilent, givings it users bragging rights and a fales sense of superiority of us who choose to use lesser alternatives. Please look past the marketing when purchasing! The fact is that for people in my position who want to make bedroom recodings Pro Tools can not do anything that other software can not do. And that is what a system in this price range is supposed to do, right? I infact prefer to use the FREE Kristal. Its free, works out of the box, and is user friendly. Also, for reasons unkown to me, Pro Tools seems to make all plugins sounds like garabage to the point where they are literally unusable. My beef isnt with the Mbox, but with the Pro Tools LE software itself. If anybody can tell me how to use my Mbox in Sonar I would be happy =] I brought the Mbox 2 mini with the intention of recording some basic demos. I didnt want to do any fancy editing or mixing or expect professional results. I just wanted to fool around in my bedroom with this thing as I assume most other people who purchase a setup in this price range would.

Firstly, I wouldnt even consider using Pro Tools unless I owned a Mac (or you a perpared to make the insane ‘enhancements’ to your system which NO consumer software should be asking you to make). The fact is that you can not even perform the simple task of recording a track without one error or another occuring literally every 30 seconds. Although my system does meet the recommended requirements, I admit that I didnt perform all of the suggested enhancements that could of possible solved my problem. But why should I, when there is other FREE software out there that does the exact same job, works straight out of the box and is much more user friendly?

Oh, I forgot, its the ‘industry standard’. How Digidesign can even attach such claims as this to a $300 product I will never understand. You know how all the cool kids wore Nike or whatever in primary school? Well Pro Tools is the musicians equivilent, givings it users bragging rights and a fales sense of superiority of us who choose to use lesser alternatives. Please look past the marketing when purchasing!

The fact is that for people in my position who want to make bedroom recodings Pro Tools can not do anything that other software can not do. And that is what a system in this price range is supposed to do, right? I infact prefer to use the FREE Kristal. Its free, works out of the box, and is user friendly.

Also, for reasons unkown to me, Pro Tools seems to make all plugins sounds like garabage to the point where they are literally unusable.

My beef isnt with the Mbox, but with the Pro Tools LE software itself. If anybody can tell me how to use my Mbox in Sonar I would be happy =]

]]> By: Tim http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2796 Tim Mon, 28 Apr 2008 20:08:05 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2796 I have been fortunate to record in multi million studios, using massive SSL desks, and PTHD 7.0. Went down to another studio, (also multi million SSL the full works) but PTHD 6.9. Disaster - the Hard Drives from the PTHD 7.0 would not open.......so much for industry standard and travelling from PT studio to PT studio with your WIP. Same happened during mastering..............arrgh!!!! I have been fortunate to record in multi million studios, using massive SSL desks, and PTHD 7.0.

Went down to another studio, (also multi million SSL the full works) but PTHD 6.9.

Disaster – the Hard Drives from the PTHD 7.0 would not open…….so much for industry standard and travelling from PT studio to PT studio with your WIP.

Same happened during mastering…………..arrgh!!!!

]]> By: Joee http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2658 Joee Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:49:40 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2658 Hi there. I've been using pro-tools to do alot of midi composing, which most people would use logic or cubase for, and it can handle it! I use an Mbox 2, and a cheap midi keyboard controller, and i get stuck on my computer for days! Once you get right into pro tools, it becomes just as good for composing as anything else out there, but the end results (fully mixed, EQ'd and reverbed master fader) sound so amazing! I personally produce drum and bass, and i feel as though i am one of a rare breed that thinks drum programming, midi editing etc. is perfect on pro-tools. However, the moral of the story is... use what you are comfortable with, but PT LE can easily produce professional compositions, that with make a club full of people think you are pendulum. Hi there. I’ve been using pro-tools to do alot of midi composing, which most people would use logic or cubase for, and it can handle it! I use an Mbox 2, and a cheap midi keyboard controller, and i get stuck on my computer for days! Once you get right into pro tools, it becomes just as good for composing as anything else out there, but the end results (fully mixed, EQ’d and reverbed master fader) sound so amazing! I personally produce drum and bass, and i feel as though i am one of a rare breed that thinks drum programming, midi editing etc. is perfect on pro-tools. However, the moral of the story is… use what you are comfortable with, but PT LE can easily produce professional compositions, that with make a club full of people think you are pendulum.

]]> By: dc http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2618 dc Fri, 18 Jan 2008 01:53:04 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2618 o dear o dear

]]> By: fish http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2344 fish Wed, 31 Oct 2007 03:24:45 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2344 i agree with conard a ways back up, though you are right about some things. digidesign does have a monopoly on the market and that really sucks, especailly because all of their equipment is so expensive. with that said, you can't just throw pro tools out the window just because you had difficulties with the LE system because the HD system is a whole different story. pro tools is the industry standard for a reason. pro tools has many things and features that you would never even know just by simply using the program. one of the most important is that the logarithms within the program that pro tools uses for recording audio are far better than those of any other program, resulting in a higher-quality, better recording every time. no matter what other program or daw you use, you simply cannot get the same quality and detail from audio that pro tools provides. also, many of the plug-ins are much better than those for other daws (unless you happen to be using the quite expensive waves plug-ins, in which case you shouldn't be complaining about the price of pro tools. with that said, pro tools is not for comosition; it is for tracking, mixing, and mastering. i personally use abelton live for any preproduction and even some production work because it does that kind of stuff better, just like other programs, such as cubase. when it comes down to it though, pro tools cannot be beat for audio quality and mixing/mastering capabilities. period. i feel you on your disgust of the mbox and pro tools le, but like i said, as far as tracking, mixing, and mastering, there is not a better system out than a pro tools hd rig. i agree with conard a ways back up, though you are right about some things. digidesign does have a monopoly on the market and that really sucks, especailly because all of their equipment is so expensive. with that said, you can’t just throw pro tools out the window just because you had difficulties with the LE system because the HD system is a whole different story. pro tools is the industry standard for a reason. pro tools has many things and features that you would never even know just by simply using the program. one of the most important is that the logarithms within the program that pro tools uses for recording audio are far better than those of any other program, resulting in a higher-quality, better recording every time. no matter what other program or daw you use, you simply cannot get the same quality and detail from audio that pro tools provides. also, many of the plug-ins are much better than those for other daws (unless you happen to be using the quite expensive waves plug-ins, in which case you shouldn’t be complaining about the price of pro tools. with that said, pro tools is not for comosition; it is for tracking, mixing, and mastering. i personally use abelton live for any preproduction and even some production work because it does that kind of stuff better, just like other programs, such as cubase. when it comes down to it though, pro tools cannot be beat for audio quality and mixing/mastering capabilities. period. i feel you on your disgust of the mbox and pro tools le, but like i said, as far as tracking, mixing, and mastering, there is not a better system out than a pro tools hd rig.

]]> By: earpick http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2138 earpick Sat, 15 Sep 2007 00:52:01 +0000 http://earpick.wordpress.com/2006/07/04/the-mbox-2-and-pro-tools-le-tale/#comment-2138 Ok, don't panic. The store doesn't have a return policy, which means you can really take your time to explore the software and see if it's your thing or not. If not, you can always sell it, big deal. Also, right now the RAM for MacBooks (PC2-5300 667 mHz SODIMM DDR RAM, to be more precise) has gone down in price like crazy. Best time to grab a pair of 1GB or 2GB sticks. Ok, don’t panic. The store doesn’t have a return policy, which means you can really take your time to explore the software and see if it’s your thing or not. If not, you can always sell it, big deal.

Also, right now the RAM for MacBooks (PC2-5300 667 mHz SODIMM DDR RAM, to be more precise) has gone down in price like crazy. Best time to grab a pair of 1GB or 2GB sticks.

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